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Re: Just started H. Pylori Treatment...
Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 10:08 pm
by tornado82
Finally completed the antibiotics yesterday. Glad to be done with them. Chest pain has mostly went away again but I now have a light cough, or sensation that I need to cough occasionally. Something is still off in my chest and I have no idea what or why. Ill have to wait until the end of august to get any kind of answer so I'm trying to stop reading about junk and just get back to normal life best I can.
Re: Just started H. Pylori Treatment...
Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:36 pm
by Helico_expert
Congratulation. Do keep us posted with your story.

Re: Just started H. Pylori Treatment...
Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 2:41 am
by newhpyloridiag
tornado82 wrote:Well went in to see GI today. Got an EGD Scheduled for late August. They will be checking for the cause of the chest pain and also checking to see if H. Pylori treatment was successful. So, I may not be doing a breath test I don't imagine.
I felt good about the GI doc today. He was very attentive and seemed competent and concerned. I run down my story and told him also of my anxieties that Ive been struggling with, fearing the prospect of Esophogus Cancer. His response was that esophagus cancer would be at the bottom of his list of possible causes, and he instead said that based on what I had told him, that he would suspect Eosinophilic Esophagitis. He explained that it is common in young men like myself who have never had symptoms of heart burn, but who develop chest pain in the middle of the chest. His 2nd item on the list would be silent reflux that is occurring and Im just not getting the typical heart burn associated with it. He said esophagus cancer would be highly unlikely, but he added that it is of course in the realm of possibilities, but at the bottom of his list. I really hope he is right. My research suggests that Eosinophilic esophagitis is often caused by allergens, either food or airborne. I'm not sure why it would pop up now at age 31 given ive never had problems with allergies, but the GI explained that it is potentially caused also by an auto immune response. Research is still being done on this form of esophagitis.
The chest pain is still around today, right smack dab in the middle of the chest. I keep hoping that it will just fade away again like it did before and then stay gone. If the pain would go away it would be much easier to calm down and relax the anxiety. Ill be waiting for many weeks before I get answers, so all I can do now is wait. The guy I saw today is under the actual GI doctor who will perform my endoscopy, but Ive been told by several people that he is a top notch GI doctor and very good with endoscopies. I feel at least that I am in good hands so far. Heading into the weekend now. Treatment ends Sunday and im ready to be done with all these pills.
I would also add that I am beginning to feel that the Chest pain that came out of no where 3-4 weeks ago and the H. Pylori diagnosis are unrelated. I think I just happened to find H. Pylori because I requested the blood test be done. I don't even know that I had much of an active infection with H. Pylori as I had not had any stomach related issues. I cant be certain of course, but its really starting to look like the two are unrelated issues at this point.
The major symptom in adults with eosinophilic esophagitis is difficulty in swallowing solid food (dysphagia). Specifically, the food becomes stuck in the esophagus after it is swallowed. Less common symptoms include heartburn and chest pain.
I don't think you mentioned about food being stuck or difficulty swallowing. So may be not eosinophilic esophagitis. I am thinking may be silent reflux is causing this. Like the doc said, Esophogus Cancer will be the last thing unless there is a family history combined by abuse with smoking and heavy drinking or say a reflux disease for like so many years. There is a test for measuring the amount of acid produced. It kind of sucks because they would take like 10 acid samples (not biopsies) from your stomach every 15 minutes. It will last for like 3 hours, donno if they leave that tube in the mouth or insert it every 15 minutes. I am thinking your EGD scope will be clean, atleast the stomach and duodenum part. They could be some inflammation of the esophagus lining. I will bet, they wont find anything else.
Also the thing about the GI tract is, it is the most easily affected part in the body by stress/anxiety. If you see, people with anxiety has lost of GI issues. It's not the root cause, but it will aggravate it.
Try to get off PPIs for 2 days and see how things are.
Re: Just started H. Pylori Treatment...
Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 4:04 am
by tornado82
I will be dropping from 2 Prilosec a day to 1 a day starting tomorrow or so. I want to stick with the PPI for another week or two and see if my chest will totally recover to normal. If it is inflammation, the PPI could help it heal by preventing any further irritation. I was having some increased pain when swallowing, but it was mostly 24/7 chest pain that Ive had. A dull pain that persisted nonstop for days at a time. That pain has largely left again. I feel pretty good today, but now I have that feeling of a chest cold almost, where I feel like I need to do little coughs constantly. Coughing is a pretty general symptom though and could be tied to nearly everything related to the esophagus. The only thing that bothers me with the inflammation theory is that the pain has lasted each time for a solid week before backing off, while Im experiencing no reflux or heartburn at all. I dont see how the esophagus could stay inflamed for a solid week due to a single reflux episode. The pain comes on sudden, usually after I wake up its there, which could be due to night time reflux that I am sleeping through. But should a single reflux episode like that cause pain that lasts for 7 or 8 days? I dunno. Right now im just hoping the pain doesn't return a 3rd time. Im watching what I eat and drink and being careful not to lay down after eating. Days like today where I feel better my anxiety is largely nonexistent. Its a lot easier to ignore fears of cancer and the like when you arent feeling the pain anymore.
Im a little nervous about the Endoscope simply because it will be the first time Ive ever really had a medical procedure done outside of pulling a tooth or something. The GI doc said it will only take 10 minutes roughly, so I know it will be over fast. I think its the mental picture of a tube going all the way into my stomach that makes me feel a bit nervous. Hopefully I walk out though saying "wow that wasn't anything.."
That is 6 weeks or so out though, right now im focusing on getting the chest pain and cough to fully go away and feel normal. Ive been eating Luden's lozenge's like candy last few days and feel that they have been helping somewhat. They only contain 2.8mg of Pectin, but they seem to help with the discomfort. The cough is a new symptom I havent had though so Im just taking it day by day atm.
Re: Just started H. Pylori Treatment...
Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 4:34 am
by newhpyloridiag
tornado82 wrote:I will be dropping from 2 Prilosec a day to 1 a day starting tomorrow or so. I want to stick with the PPI for another week or two and see if my chest will totally recover to normal. If it is inflammation, the PPI could help it heal by preventing any further irritation. I was having some increased pain when swallowing, but it was mostly 24/7 chest pain that Ive had. A dull pain that persisted nonstop for days at a time. That pain has largely left again. I feel pretty good today, but now I have that feeling of a chest cold almost, where I feel like I need to do little coughs constantly. Coughing is a pretty general symptom though and could be tied to nearly everything related to the esophagus. The only thing that bothers me with the inflammation theory is that the pain has lasted each time for a solid week before backing off, while Im experiencing no reflux or heartburn at all. I dont see how the esophagus could stay inflamed for a solid week due to a single reflux episode. The pain comes on sudden, usually after I wake up its there, which could be due to night time reflux that I am sleeping through. But should a single reflux episode like that cause pain that lasts for 7 or 8 days? I dunno. Right now im just hoping the pain doesn't return a 3rd time. Im watching what I eat and drink and being careful not to lay down after eating. Days like today where I feel better my anxiety is largely nonexistent. Its a lot easier to ignore fears of cancer and the like when you arent feeling the pain anymore.
Im a little nervous about the Endoscope simply because it will be the first time Ive ever really had a medical procedure done outside of pulling a tooth or something. The GI doc said it will only take 10 minutes roughly, so I know it will be over fast. I think its the mental picture of a tube going all the way into my stomach that makes me feel a bit nervous. Hopefully I walk out though saying "wow that wasn't anything.."
That is 6 weeks or so out though, right now im focusing on getting the chest pain and cough to fully go away and feel normal. Ive been eating Luden's lozenge's like candy last few days and feel that they have been helping somewhat. They only contain 2.8mg of Pectin, but they seem to help with the discomfort. The cough is a new symptom I havent had though so Im just taking it day by day atm.
About the scope exam, I already explained. You wouldn't even know u had it. trust me.
These are the sedatives, they gave me.
SEDATION:
Versed 4mg IV
Demerol 50mg IV
I have the cough that you are explaining. It comes and gone for couple of weeks, then return back.
The question about one reflux episode staying there for a week or so, it a very good question. I was having the same question, so I thought may be it effects that much.Try using 2 pillows to see if it helps a bit. I don't have heart burn either.
Re: Just started H. Pylori Treatment...
Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 11:09 am
by tornado82
Well as I sit here tonight, Im feeling the best I think ive felt since this all started. (Knock on wood) I really feel like the discomfort has slowly been improving the past 2 days. My appetite was strong tonight and I had a great dinner for the first time in a while and I feel good. Hoping tomorrow continues to be better.
Its going to be a little silly I guess if this all heals and passes and then in 6 weeks I go to have the endoscopy done. I guess he will still check for h. pylori eradication, but a cheap breath test would be much better. Oh well, ive signed up for it now, so Ill have to go through with it even if I feel like I dont need it any more. Id rather be pain free and normal the next 6 weeks than continued pain so I cant complain now lol
regarding the sedation. I think you said you went out completely (totally unconcious zzzzz) for just like 20 minutes? Was that the case? The only experience i have is with general anesthesia when I had wisdom teeth removed years ago. It knocked me out cold 5 seconds after I saw the oral surgeon push the needle into the IV, and I didnt wake up until hours later and was 35 miles away on my couch. My driver said I talked the whole way home, but I had zero memory of anything...That kinda scares me lol. The GI said that the anesthesia they use is very targetted and controlled, but I still wonder how they can make it so you are only out 20 minutes. I plan to coach my g/f on questions to ask in case Im not actually conscious when its over. I hope I do wake up and can talk to the doctor about what he found.
Re: Just started H. Pylori Treatment...
Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 12:18 pm
by newhpyloridiag
Good that you are feeling better finally.
Yea I got knocked out for like 20 minutes may be 25 minutes. They will wait until you become conscious and review the results with you, but you wouldn't remember much. So it is a good idea to train your gf to ask the questions for you.
I completed the 10 day treatment on the 29th of June. I was doing good until Friday (11th) but the last 3 days, I have slight nausea, no appetite, the brain fog started today. I am suspecting may be the treatment might not have worked for me. I have to schedule a breath test on the 30th. The pains in the lower gut are not going away. Now I feel, may be I should have got the colonoscopy. Kind of depressed with this mess.
Re: Just started H. Pylori Treatment...
Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 11:50 pm
by tornado82
I think you should perhaps give yourself more time. THe last time I took antibiotics before this was 1 year ago. I took Clindomycine for a dental related issue. I told the dentist I did not want clindomycine because I was aware of its strong relation to colitis. They insisted i would be ok to take it. Well, 2 weeks after I finished it, I came down EXTREMELY ill. It all started with some light nausea and decreased appetite and blew up quikcly into full on vomiting and diarrhea. I could drink a glass of water and go to the bathroom 20 minutes later and have pure clear water diarrhea...It was the sickest I had been in 20+ years. I dont believe it was colitis that hit me, but rather food poisoning. The clindoymycine had wiped out so many good bacteria leaving my gut in a weak and vulnerable state. 70% of our immune system lives in our gut, and Antibiotics I think weaken that by wiping out the beneficial bacteria. I plan to be very careful what I eat now that i have just come off antibiotics. The sickness I had a year ago lasted for 4 straight days. I lost 10 lbs, was dehydrated, and nearly had to be put in the hospital. My g/f contracted the same bug right around the time I got better but it only had her down for about 24 hours. I contributed this to the antibiotics which had made me much weaker to the bacteria, because I am someone who never ever gets sick. That was the first time I had thrown up since I was a young child.
Colitis can develop sometimes months after antibiotic treatment. Thats just a testament to how much damage antibiotics do to our gut; destroying millions of beneficial bacteria, and I think its why we see so many strong side effects to antibiotics. If you introduce any bad germs to your gut now, it likely is able to jump on you much stronger and harder at this time due to nothing to combat it.
Re: Just started H. Pylori Treatment...
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 1:17 am
by newhpyloridiag
I guess you are right. I started eating out at that same time frame. May be I have to be more careful.
I have a Doc appointment tomorrow. I want to get tested for gluten. What test can I ask for??
Is it Celiac Panel?? Any ideas anyone??
Re: Just started H. Pylori Treatment...
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 3:55 am
by tornado82
I dunno. Ive seen a lot of conflicting information over gluten. It is a craze right now, but Ive seen some doctors say that it is way over hyped, and that gluten is not the big devil people have made it out to be. There are of course tests you can do to test for allergies but I have not researched that. The most popular food allergies though tend to be like Soy, Milk, peanuts, wheat, etc. I am personally lactose intolerant so I try not to drink lots of milk. I can handle a bowl of cereal or something but if I go to chugging chocolate milk (so good) then I will have like massive gas about 1 hour later, and usually a tore up stomach. So, im avoiding nearly all milk right now. If you suspect gluten, just go on a gluten free diet for a week and see how you feel. It is a tough diet though because so much crap has gluten in it, and it can make eating out especially difficult.
Are you still drinking Kefir some, or using any other probiotics? Ive been falling short on my daily kefir but Ive kept up eating the Danon Activia Yogurt. Today Im still feeling pretty good. Chest still is a little off feeling, but its the best Its been since this all started and Im still hoping it continues. My stomach isnt giving me any problems at all. No nausea or diarrhea or anything has really occurred all through treatment. Im just praying now I dont get slammed a couple weeks out like I did last time I took antibiotics.
Try taking a table spoon of pure natural honey twice a day. Its good, and is supposed to help settle the stomach. Also, have you looked into Aloe Vera Juice? Research it if you havent...Ive read up on it a lot and it seems promising but Ive not tried it yet. Ive seen some people who swear by the stuff though, saying it made massive improvements in their stomach ailments. Id try to buy it in the purest form you can find it...it seems fairly cheap at like $8 for a gallon or so. The aloe plant is a pretty amazing plant, Ive used it since I was a kid for burns and other sores and it works wonders in those applications.
You could also try chamomile tea. Mix honey into the tea instead of sugar for a sweetener then sip it after dinner. Hot drinks help you digest food far better than cold drinks.
Keep me updated on your progress and Ill do the same. Lets see how this all ends for the both of us.