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and to the point: knowing that probiotics are not going to eliminate the bacteria, benefits are still seen. seems pertinent to recommend them with all these extremely strong regiments of anti-biotics.

Yes, there are lots of info from the article you shared. I think in terms of Probiotic, you are right. No probiotic can eradicate H. pylori completely. However, since it's harmless, and if the patients feel good, go ahead and take it.

The problem is, there are so many types of probiotics. even among the same species, there are so many strains. Nobody is able to tell you which is the one that is most helpful to you. So you will just have to go shop around until you find one that you think improve your situation.

Because both I and my girlfriend are experiencing dental symptoms, which have been abating since beginning PPI treatment, I feel the need to post these studies. I realize that there are just as many studies that disagree with these findings, but it is hard to argue the statistical findings are not significant in the studies provided. Also, in relation to the studies that disagree with a correlation, it is important to scrutinize the detection methods. I should also mention that at 33 years of age, i have not had good dental hygiene for 20+ years of my life. I mean I have almost NEVER brushed my teeth. I think that this could be one more clue as to why my symptoms are so much worse that the majority of the population. It also seems like a likely area of attack in assuring eradication.

https://www.cochrane.org/CD009477/UPPER ... radication

https://bmcoralhealth.biomedcentral.com ... 018-0526-2

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4659103/

They use PCR method. which I too did many years ago. There are just too many false positives and false negatives. In my study, volunteers with H. pylori got both positive and negative results from oral PCR. Similarly, the volunteers without H. pylori, also have positive and negative results. This suggest that PCR is almost random.

Nevertheless, H. pylori transmission is associated with poor dental hygiene. If someone do not brush their teeth, it is more likely to have H. pylori in the mouth.

Would you agree that the mouth could be a resevoir for H. pylori. It seems based on these studies that it is important to consider the health of the mouth when trying to eliminate H. pylori. I know I'm certainly going to be more diligent from now on, and especially during my elimination. Well, still waiting on my blood test, but I'm fairly sure this is the source of my ailments.

I dont believe mouth can be a reservoir for H. pylori. H. pylori is not a competitive organism. it can only colonise in stomach cells. when the stomach cells changed... H. pylori is lost. H. pylori doesnt colonise the esophagus and intestine either. it colonise very specifically to the stomach cells only.

Nevertheless, it can only temporarily stays in the mouth. it will be out compete by other organism.

Those 3 studies disagree. How could it be cultured from tissue or plaque in the mouth otherwise?

i am not sure if i can believe those culture claim. we tried ourselves and failed because the mouth has too many contaminant.

H. pylori is a very slow growing organism. it'll take at least 3 or 4 days to be able to see the colonies.

whereas, the mouth flora will only take 1 day. by day 3 or 4, the plate will be quite a mess.

One of the studies was detecting DNA markers.